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Off Center — the XDN episodes

Off Center is the podcast of the Center for Digital Narrative, hosted by Scott Rettberg. Listed here are the 29 episodes that belong to this project: The AI Update in full, the episodes where an XDN researcher is the guest, and the augmented- and alternate-reality episodes. The complete run of 82 covers the whole centre.

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23 eps AI Update The AI Update Scott Rettberg and David (Jhave) Johnston on what has moved in AI since the last one — model releases, controversies, and what they do to narrative. Recorded roughly monthly since September 2024.
4 eps XDN guest Project researchers in conversation Episodes where an XDN researcher is the guest rather than the host — Sérgio Galvão Roxo, David (Jhave) Johnston, Caitlin Fisher, Drew Keller.
2 eps Immersive Augmented and alternate reality The immersive strand: augmented-reality performance, alternate-reality games, and storytelling that runs through a headset or a phone rather than a page.
Episodes — 29 Full run →

AI Update Jun 2026 00:34:04

The AI Update XXIII - The Pope / Chatting with Claude

On this episode, Jhave and Scott tackle the intersection of artificial intelligence, theology, and human dignity, sparked by Pope Leo XIV's landmark AI encyclical, Magnifica Humanitas. From philosophical debates over the "TESCREAL" ideology and Isomorphic Labs' massive $2.1 billion funding and how to navigate mundan…

AI Update May 2026 00:21:06

The AI Update XXII - Controversy Part 2

Scott and Jhave are back to talk even more AI controversy. Is it okay for AI to kill up to 100 people? Is there a dark money campaign to spread Anti-China-AI fear? Are "deep fakes" out and "shallow fakes" so in right now? That, and so much more.Referenceshttps://x.com/_NathanCalvin/status/2051454585420521501 .A Dark…

AI Update Apr 2026 00:22:00

The AI Update XXI - Controversy Part 1

Join Scott and Jhave for a candid, slightly cynical deep dive into the ethical quagmires currently reshaping the tech landscape on The AI Update. This episode tackles everything from the military entanglements of Anthropic and Palantir to the unsettling rise of AI-driven bioweapons and global cyber warfare. Amidst a…

AI Update Mar 2026 00:33:14

The AI Update XX - AI Consciousness

On this episode Scott and Jhave talk about AI Consciousness, debating whether recent research into mechanistic interpretability suggests that frontier models are developing introspection, nascent sentience, and/or a "society of thought."References Aranyosi, M. (2026), Mechanistic Indicators of Understanding in Large…

AI Update Feb 2026 00:17:51

The AI Update XIX - World Models

What are “World Models,” and why should we care? Could AI really understand reality? Scott and Jhave sit down to explore the rise of World Models - the "engines" of machine intuition -to discuss how quickly they are evolving and what their existence means for the future of humanity (and the robots living alongside u…

AI Update Dec 2025 00:20:22

The AI Update XVII - Incest Economy

Scott and Jhave are back talking billions of dollars and discussing whether the new AI economy truly is "too big to fail".References Artificial Analysis (2025) Models Leaderboard Fortune (2025) Without data centers, US GDP growth was 0.1% in the first half of 2025 GLM-4 (2025) GLM-4.6: Open-Source Bilingual Intermed…

AI Update Nov 2025 00:20:38

The AI Update XVI: Anthropic Copyright Settlement

Scott and Jhave are here to talk about a major class-action lawsuit that will reward authors for the fact that their books were used for AI training data... and this is not just any class-action lawsuit: the largest publicly reported settlement in human history.References: https://www.anthropiccopyrightsettlement.co…

AI Update Oct 2025 00:29:02

The AI Update XV: An Eye for AI Cinema @ BIFF 2025

On this episode we talk about our upcoming exhibition "An Eye for AI Cinema" at the Bergen International Film Festival, running October 15th-23rd. Is artificial intelligence destroying cinema as we know it? Are we entering the age of the computer-generated DIY film? AI brings tumultuous changes to the established fi…

AI Update Sep 2025 00:37:01

The AI Update XIV: AI and Writing

It’s been a while since the last AI update, and with the field evolving so quickly, Scott and Jhave have plenty to catch up on. In this episode, they explore AI and writing - but who is prompting whom? Can AI serve as “steroids for creativity”? And if so, what are the unintended side effects?References Abundant Inte…

AI Update Mar 2025 00:27:03

The AI Update XIII: AI and Research

This episode Scott and Jhave talk about some of the ways in which AI is finding itself involved in research. They talk about some of the AI models that have been developed with research in mind as well as some of their own experiments with these models.References:Brain2Qwerty https://ai.meta.com/research/publication…

AI Update Mar 2025 00:26:03

The AI Update XII: AI Fascism

In this week's AI Update, Scott and Jhave discuss some of the ways in which fascism reproduces itself, how AI could be used as a tool to facilitate it, and how those leading AI development have found themselves in positions of political power.References:Ahmed, S. (2024). Social Media News Use Amplifies the Illusory…

AI Update Feb 2025 00:14:43

The AI Update XI: AI Alien Simulation Worlds

Jhave and Scott talk about simulated worlds or environments created with AI, considering what are the boundaries for artifical life. ReferencesByteDance. (2025). Protenix: Toward High-Accuracy Open-Source Biomolecular Structure Prediction. https://github.com/bytedance/ProtenixConway, J. H. (1970). The Game of Life.…

AI Update Feb 2025 00:19:20

The AI Update X: O3

In this AI Update Jhave and Scott discuss O3, the new AI model announced by OpenAI, which excels in high-complexity tasks, demonstrating state-of-the-art capabilities in science, structured reasoning, and problem-solving. References Brown, N., & Sandholm, T. (2018). Superhuman AI for heads-up no-limit poker: Libratu…

AI Update Jan 2025 00:22:14

The AI Update IX: Predictions for 2025 in AI and Narrative

Jhave and Scott discuss recent developments in AI and forecast new developments in AI storytelling, reasoning, efficiency, organoids, and medicine coming in 2025.ReferencesAmodei, D., & Hernandez, D. (2018). AI and Compute. https://openai.com/index/ai-and-compute/Jumper, J., et al. (2021). Highly accurate protein st…

AI Update Dec 2024 00:18:04

The AI Update VIII: AI and Violence

In this AI update, hosts Scott Rettberg and David Jhave Johnston dive deep into the connection between AI and violence. Tune in for the latest AI updates, and the last episode of the year. We will continue the season in the new year. References Calvo, Serena, et al. 2024. Does suicide contagion (Werther Effect) take…

AI Update Dec 2024 00:13:01

The AI Update VII: AI goes Hollywood

In this short byweekly AI update, hosts Scott Rettberg and Jhave Johnston talk about the use of AI in filmmaking in places like Hollywood. While actors and writers fear AI could take over their jobs, its use in filmmaking is rapidly growing. ReferencesBateman, Justine. 2024. “Hollywood is dead, according to Justine…

AI Update Nov 2024 00:14:26

The AI Update VI: AI Agents

Back with a new episode and song, are David Jhave Johnston and Scott Rettberg. In today’s episode, they will discuss AI agents. Secret agents, travel agents, helping you with anything you need. Whether that may be spying on people or booking that holiday you wanted to go on, the AI agents can do it for you. Listen n…

AI Update Nov 2024 00:13:20

The AI Update V: Reasoning AI

In this AI update, hosts Scott Rettberg and David Jhave Johnston dive deep into the evolving relationship between AI and human reasoning. They explore how AI models like GPT are learning to "think" through synthetic chain-of-thought processes. Tune in for the latest AI updates. ReferencesBrown, Noam, and Tuomas Sand…

AI Update Oct 2024 00:12:42

The AI Update IV: Nobel Prizes for AI Research

In this short biweekly AI update, hosts Scott Rettberg and Jhave Johnston talk about this year's Nobel Peace Prizes for AI research. John Hopfield and Geoffrey Hinton were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics, and Demis Hassabis and John Jumper received the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Tune in to find out what their disc…

AI Update Oct 2024 00:19:40

The AI Update III: AI-made Podcasts

We are back with another AI update about AI produced podcasts. And this time, we have a special guest joining us, Jill Walker Rettberg. In this episode Jill, Scott, and Jhave will discuss the new feature of Google's NotebookLM, that lets you listen to a podcast conversation about your source documents. ReferencesGoo…

AI Update Sep 2024 00:22:43

The AI Update II: Future of Cinema

Welcome back to another biweekly AI update with David Jhave Johnston and Scott Rettberg, that from this season on come out every other week between the usual Off Center episodes. In this AI update, Scott and Jhave discuss one of the venues for the More Than Meets AI exhibition at the Bergen International Film Festiv…

Immersive Sep 2024 00:34:57

Episode 26: Digital Media, Performance, and AR with Kat Mustatea

In this episode, Kat Mustatea joins Scott for a chat about the crossroad of technology and performance. Kat Mustatea is a playwright and technologist, and her tech-native storytelling stretches theatre into the digital age. They talk about her journey and her projects Voidopolis BodyMouth, and Lizardly in depth on t…

AI Update Sep 2024 00:16:00

The AI Update I: More Than Meets AI Exhibition

From this season on, the biweekly AI update with David Jhave Johnston and Scott Rettberg will come in the weeks between the usual Off Center episodes. In this first separate AI update, Scott and Jhave discuss art made in collaboration with AI for the upcoming More Than Meets AI exhibition, that will take place in Be…

Immersive Mar 2024 00:43:06

Episode 16: Alternate Reality Games with Patrick Jagoda

Scott Rettberg and Patrick Jagoda, professor at the university of Chicago, and cofounder of the Game Changer Chicago Design Lab and the Transmedia Story Lab, talk about alternate reality games and transmedia storytelling in this episode of Off Center. They talk about games Patrick has been working on. Sign up for ⁠⁠…

XDN guest Feb 2024 00:48:06

Episode 13: Creative AI with David Jhave Johnston

In this first episode of season two, Scott is joined by David Jhave Johnston, digital poet, videographer, and motion graphics artist. Together they talk about digital poetry, cyborg authorship, and the use of AI for content creation. Sign up for ⁠the CDN newsletter⁠ here.ReferencesJohnston, D. J. 2016. Aesthetic Ani…

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